“kill myself” was the most common answer when they contemplated the possibility of life as a girl
Yeah, tell me again how misogyny “isn’t real” and men and boys actually “love”, “like” and “respect the female sex”? This is how deep misogynistic propaganda runs in this world. Men and boys are so viscerally contemptuous of anything or anyone who/that is female or feminine, or perceived to be female or feminine, that they would rather commit suicide than to be associated with— or become a member of— the female sex. As Germaine Greer said, “women have no idea how much men hate them.”
they would rather die then be treated how they treat us
Your reactions to boys saying they’d commit suicide (which is a very prevalent thing among males btw) is to reframe it as a female-centric issue?
Your first thought when faced with a boy saying he’d kill himself is to make it about women?
Really? That’s pretty damn apathetic.
Considering how most trans people who suffer from gender dysphoria tend to be suicidal, I honestly don’t see the problem with boys saying they don’t want to be girls.
In fact, I find it to be the healthy response.
I sincerely doubt “kill myself” was the actual answer every boy gave, nor do I think that the girls of each classroom were all super eager to be the baseball players, policemen, and firemen that their frail, glass-like, female bodies refused to let them be. This whole thing reeks of feminist cognitive dissonance.
But giving Michael Kimmel (the author) the benefit of the doubt, I went and looked up this book, only to find that it was published in 2000 which quotes studies from the 1980’s, with footnotes that pretty much amount to “we made this up, but we assume this is right”, and ‘figures’ that are just newspaper comics from the New Yorker with pithy little jokes about how men are lazy and women have to put up with them.
The book has since been revised a few times, but even still, it’s largely ignored when it comes to gender studies, because all this guy writes about is masculinity and society, or gender or sexism, and the politics of masculinity and manhood.. First couple books, you could say “okay, he’s investigating this topic..” but with the next 10 books, it’s pretty obvious that the guy has an agenda.
However, upon closer investigation, it turns out he is actually full of shit. Don’t believe me? Here’s the study (< Click it) Kimmel is quoting in that scanned passage.
The question, in full, was “If you were to wake up tomorrow and discover that you were a member of the other sex, how would your life be different?” Not, “what they would do” and there was no “girls were so much more thoughtful and careful to answer!”
The study in question was from 1983 (recent indeed!), and done by Researchers from the “Institute for Equality in Education”, where they only surveyed 2000 students, grades 3 through 12. In said study there was only a single student, a sixth grader, who responded with “If I were a girl, I’d kill myself”. Some considered it a boon, some were ambivalent, others thought that they might have to learn to cook better, because they’d make a lousy girl. The worst answers came from grade-schoolers, who are still deeply entrenched in the ‘boys vs girls’ mentality and still several years away from puberty and thinking of girls as anything other than gross, frilly, cootie factories. Remember. This is in 1983.
The best part is that the study actually does attribute these learned stereotypes to books, media, parents, and the rest of society as a whole, instead of just saying that all boys are stupid poopyhead misogynists. Better still, it points out that girls think boys have everything better and boys think girls have it worse. Fancy that.
But, seriously. Fuck you, tumblr. Fuck you right in your stupid, misformed, eager-to-jump-on-any-bias-confirming-piece-of-shit-you-can-find faces.